Interview with Brian Fisher
PLM: Hi. This is Brett Attebery with Pro-Life Magazine and today I am very honored to have with me Brian Fisher to talk about his book called, “Abortion. The Ultimate Exploitation of Women” with the subtitle “Men Started It. Men Oppress With It. Men Can End It.”
Brian is the President and Co-founder of an organization called Online For Life. As an author, speaker, and business executive Brian has a passion for saving unborn children and their families from abortion. He graduated from West Minister College in New Wilmington, Pennsylvania in 1995 with an undergraduate degree in music.
He began working in Christian radio in Pittsburgh first with an entry-level job as a radio operator and eventually moved on to the business side. From 1995 to 2005 he served as Executive Vice-President of a start-up financial firm and in 2006 he moved to Coral Ridge Media Ministries as Executive Vice-President and later became President and CEO.
During that time Brian and his colleague began to dream of developing a solution that would rescue unborn babies from abortion and save families from the pain and grief abortion often causes.
So in 2009 he started a small volunteer nonprofit called Online for Life to start realizing the dream of using compassion, truth, and business applications to rescue babies. A few months later when the ministry saved its first baby from abortion Brian said he felt unbelievable joy!
In early 2012 he left the for-profit world to become President of the rapidly expanding Online for Life organization. The book we will discuss today is actually his third book. He has also written a book called “Seven Investment Tales,” and another book called “Media Revolution. A Battle Plan to Defeat Mass Deception in America.”
Brian Fisher: Thanks so much for having me. It’s great to be with you.
PLM: I appreciate you taking the time to do this. As a man myself, and also as a post-abortive man, when I saw the title of your book I just had to grab the book. I downloaded it on Kindle and read it in one day. There were so many things in there that spoke to me.
I want to start by talking about the title of the book which I found very provocative. When you talk about abortion as “the ultimate exploitation of women” and then your subtitle that men started it, men oppress with it, and men can end it, you know, many view abortion rights as women exerting their freedom, and would actually call it one of the great triumphs of feminism. Yet you claim it is men, not women, who are the main ones behind the legalization of abortion. Could you talk a little bit about that?
Brian Fisher: Sure. The book title was actually taken from a quote from a feminist. Alice Paul, who was one of the original architects of the Equal Rights Amendment back in the nineteen teens and twenties, called abortion the ultimate exploitation of women.
The early feminists understood what modern feminists do not which is that abortion is a tool in the hands of men to subjugate and demean women. And although we believe in our culture today that it decreases the gender gap, in fact, it widens it.
A brief review of American abortion history clearly shows that abortion has been promoted, and ultimately was legalized and continues to be pushed, primarily by men for two primary reasons. The first reason is eugenics, and the second is for personal sexual gratification. And when we look at the facts and look clearly at what history tells us, we really have no other conclusion than to admit that abortion really is something that is destroying women even though in our culture today they celebrate it as a right.
PLM: It’s interesting that you talked about the early feminists and you show through your research how they were strongly opposed to abortion. What happened in our culture that turned so many of those modern feminists towards starting to strongly support a legal right to an abortion?
Brian Fisher: It’s an interesting part of our history because women at one point want to celebrate their sexual freedom, and then another point many times are “man haters.” It’s a bizarre feminism which exists today in American culture.
The early feminists were fighting for things like suffrage. They just wanted the right to vote. They wanted the right to own property. They wanted to be seen as equal people in the sight of American law, and they were successful in doing that. But they understood that men struggle with power, and we all too often exert that power over women.
Today’s modern feminists tend to view power incorrectly. They believe that by exercising their ability to sleep with multiple men, to avoid getting married, to have a career that trumps all other aspects of life, and ultimately to have this so-called “reproductive choice” empowers them when in fact it just makes them tools.
So I think early feminists were very wise in their perspectives of the roles of men and women and the empowerment that each gender had. Modern feminists have just twisted it, and they’ve been lied to and they’ve bought the lie. We’re beginning to see that unwind in certain circles but there’s a long way to go. For those men who truly believe in gender equality and who are making every effort to legitimately raise women to the level of men in terms of their value in society, we have to strike down abortion in order to get there.
PLM: There are some defenders of abortion who say that men should just stay out of the abortion rights debate altogether and leave this issue to women. From your perspective why do they say that?
Brian Fisher: Promiscuous men have recognized verbally quite loudly that abortion is their “get out of jail free” card to sleep with whoever they want. That’s been said publicly from all sorts of different corners of the country, and in fact, of the globe.
The challenge with that statement is that we in our culture are viewing abortion as purely a woman’s issue when in fact it isn’t. There are two bodies involved. To say that a woman has the right to do whatever she wants with her body really is a ridiculous statement because no one has a right to do whatever they want with their body. A woman is not allowed to go out on her lawn and beat her children. She’s not allowed to do whatever she wants with her body, and we’ve bought this lie that abortion only involves one person.
Well of course it doesn’t. It involves the body of another person. Abortion is a fatal surgery and it involves the death of another body. So right there we have two bodies involved, not one. But obviously it takes another body to create the child in the first place. It obviously takes a man and a woman to conceive and the man has a role in that process. Whether or not society wants to acknowledge it or not on the whole is irrelevant because it takes a man and a woman to produce a child.
So I argue in the book that the abortion decision is primarily a parental issue because there are a man and a woman involved, but ultimately it’s a family issue because there is a child that will be born one way or another. That child will either be born alive, or dead. So ethically we need to take all three parties into consideration.
PLM: In Chapter 5 you talk about two of the primary drivers of abortion, population control and eugenics, which you say go hand in hand. You argue that it is really men that are behind those two things. Can you talk about why it is that men are the ones behind these two agendas?
Brian Fisher: Ultimately it’s men exercising power over other people. World history has shown, really since Cain, that men in power have a tremendous amount of difficulty with that power. The abortion cycle in America has largely been propagated by rich white guys who have in interest in seeing what they consider lesser races being diminished or eradicated. Eugenics is basically the process of one race being weeded out by others.
And if you look back in history, whether it’s the Rockefellers, or Lawrence Lader, or Bernard Nathanson, or some of the other leading male figures, have on the surface altruistic reasons like safe healthcare for women. But at the end of the day, especially in the case of the Rockefellers, they are primarily interested in population control through eugenics.
The leading female figure in abortion history is of course Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood. In the book it illustrates that she was unbelievably impacted by several key men in her life who were very proclaimed and very public eugenicists. Planned Parenthood, the leading abortion provider in America today, it’s roots are in weeding out what Margaret Sanger considered lesser races.
You almost never hear this in the media today because of a lot of different factors but 80+% of Planned Parenthood clinics are located in minority communities. The eugenics agenda has been successful. 14% of women in America are African American, but they account for over 30% of the abortions. The African American race is in danger of weeding itself out at this rate because of the number of children that they abort.
So we need to face the facts and deal with this, and men should be concerned not only about gender equality, but also racial equality, and work very diligently to protect unborn children of all races because that is the moral, ethical and spiritually appropriate thing to do.
PLM: In your book you don’t mince words when it comes to your assessment of the modern American man, the current man in America. Can you describe that man and why this type of man is not willing to join the battle to defend human life?
Brian Fisher: Unfortunately, we as a gender have given ourselves over to our baser passions. Whether it’s within the church, or without, unfortunately the two men are virtually indistinguishable, we have allowed ourselves to become sexual beasts. We have tremendous difficulty controlling ourselves sexually. We continue to use and abuse women for our own pleasure. We’ve just become more sophisticated in the marketing in order to accomplish that. And we have forgotten our roles as providers and protectors. So we have become very narcissistic, and whenever narcissism sets in it means that someone else is going to be victimized because of that.
I’m not describing 100% of men obviously but as a gender on the whole if you compare and contrast the greatest generation, those men who fought and died in World War II, with the Boomers, or with the Xers, or even with some percentage of the millennials, you couldn’t even put them on the same scale because the men of World War II and that generation were men of honor and courage and fidelity on the whole. They understood the role of their manhood in families. But today’s generation just has no recognition of what that is.
Not to say that we can’t get back to it because I believe with all my heart that we can, but we have a long way to go to exemplify what real manhood is in 21st century America.
PLM: In the final chapter of your book you claim that men can end abortion. So tying in with your last statement can you give some suggestions about what American men need to stop doing first of all, and then also what they need to start doing to help end demand for abortion?
Brian Fisher: I was speaking at a mission’s conference this past Saturday and there were a number of teenage guys in the audience, and one of them quite courageously raised his hand and said, “Well what can I do? What can we do? How can we stop an abortion?”
I said the number one thing you can do is cherish your future wife by not sleeping with anybody before you’re married. If you want to end abortion, and 85% of abortions are because of unplanned pregnancies, stop screwing around before you’re married. And he kind of just stared at me, and I said I know it’s old-fashioned and the word abstinence is a four-lettered word in today’s culture, but the number one thing that men can do is to discipline themselves sexually.
That is the driver of abortion in America from a social standpoint. So we need to be proactive about honoring and cherishing women enough to not use them and abuse them for our own pleasure, but rather sanctify our relationships in marriage by keeping our beds pure.
I think the power in this movement is really with post-abortive men. I realize that some people look at me like I’m crazy, but the more that men who have lost children through abortion talk about it, the more that they are courageously sharing about it in their families, in their communities, in their churches, that is probably the most powerful thing that a post-abortive man can do is share his story legitimately and appropriately.
The reason is because it unwinds virtually all the lies in our culture. It unwinds the lie that abortion is primarily a woman’s issue. It unwinds the lie that it’s about reproductive rights. It unwinds the lie that everybody walks away from abortion fine and they’re perfectly healthy.
The post-abortive men that I’ve had the honor and privilege of either working with or hearing, when they share their story, things happen. People are changed. People’s hearts are changed because that is truth and that candid truth makes a huge difference. So right off the bat those two things will save countless babies from abortion and move this process along.
Just if men stay sexually pure, and post abortive men share their stories we would see a radical shift very very quickly in the abortion culture.
PLM: Brian, as you know, I am a post-abortive man, and I really took to heart the challenge that you extended to post-abortive men in the book. I realized that even though I’m doing something, obviously, that I need to do a lot more, especially in the local community. The magazine is fine, and doing videos online, but more face-to-face contact and letting people see how it does affect men, and letting them see it up close and personal. So I thank you for putting that in the book. It challenged me and has me thinking of some things that I need to start doing as well so I appreciate that.
Brian Fisher: You just have to recognize that your story will save lives, and the more that the Lord leads you to share it the more children you will save. I’ve seen it I don’t know how many times now, but that’s the power of your testimony. As painful as it is it is also redemptive, and that’s how God uses us.
PLM: Give us some information about your organization Online For Life. What is your mission? What are you doing? How can people learn more about you and get involved, or how can they contribute to your activities?
Brian Fisher: Online For Life is a 501c3 nonprofit. As you mentioned it was started in 2009 based on some work that I and another gentleman had done earlier in the decade. We exist to save families and children from abortion. We do so by extending grace and compassion to parents who are considering abortion.
There are over 2 million internet searches a month in the United States for abortion related terms. It’s almost unfathomable. So that’s our mission field. We go online in various cities across the country and we specifically reach out to those who are looking for abortion providers or abortion information, and we give them options.
We give them the option to connect with their local pro-life pregnancy center, and once they’re in there they have the opportunity to have solid truthful counsel, see an ultrasound of their child, and basically have a support network built for them. It’s really the injecting of the Gospel, if you will, directly into the lives of people who are broken, and hurting, and oftentimes panicked. By providing them some simple tools and information, and by God’s grace we’ve rescued over 1,640 children and families from abortion since May of 2010.
February of this year was our best month ever. There were 123 children rescued in February 2014 from abortion and those numbers continue to rise quickly because as a bunch of business guys, that’s basically what we are, we have applied some of the things we’ve learned to saving children, and by God’s grace it’s working.
So it’s this cool mix of geeks, and statisticians, and we have a phone counseling center so we have post-abortive and non post-abortive women there on the phones. We have 26 people dedicated to rescuing as many children as we can.
PLM: That’s absolutely fantastic! First of all to hear the kind of numbers that you’re getting in terms of saving babies, but I would also say saving the parents. Sometimes I think we focus a little too much on saving the babies, and that is the focus, but by doing that you save the parents as well. I’m so happy that you are having the success that you are and congratulations on that.
In closing I want to thank you again for taking the time today. I want to recommend to everybody to get this book, not just if you’re a man, but I think it is important for women to read this as well to understand some of the history behind abortion, and to clear up some of the misconceptions that are out there even in the pro-life movement. There are many things in Brian’s book that you can learn that you probably didn’t know.
Brian, thank you for everything you do for the pro-life movement. I appreciate your time and good luck with your book.
Brian Fisher: Thank you so much for having me. I appreciate it.
About Brian Fisher
Author, speaker, and business leader Brian Fisher co-founded Online for Life after years serving in executive management in the for-profit and non-profit arenas.
He started his career in media, and then served as Executive Vice President of a start-up financial firm. That firm grew to over $1.1B in assets before it was sold to an international banking organization.
Brian then served as president of a $38M dollar media nonprofit before moving to Texas to become the COO of a large marketing agency. Brian moved back into the non-profit world as President of Online for Life in early 2012 when it blossomed into the national effort it is today.
Originally piloted in 2007, Online for Life is a transparent, metric-oriented, compassion driven organization dedicated to rescuing babies and families from abortion through technology and grace.
Brian is a Certified Financial Planner® and the author of three books (including the new release, Abortion: The Ultimate Exploitation of Women) and numerous articles. His columns have appeared in publications such as FoxNews.com, the Washington Post, Crosswalk, and CBN.com. Brian and his wife, Jessica, have two sons.